Hour of the Star--Period 2--Group 2

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  1. My favorite line in Hour of the Star is, without a doubt, the line in the introduction where Rodrigo asks the reader: "Who has not asked himself at some time or other: am I a monster or is this what it means to be a person?" The first time I read this line, I stopped and got a little shiver and I asked myself the same question. This line occurs during Rodrigo's very convoluted opening section. We have finally gotten to the point where Rodrigo actually seems to be starting the story (ie, telling us a bit about Macabea), but then he pauses again to talk about himself. And yet, while the whole of his introduction is dripping with irony and the reader often finds herself loathing him, one cannot deny that he is good at probing into the depths of human nature--just as he purports himself to be. Not only does he break the fourth wall (again), but he sets this paragraph aside and alone in the longer surrounding narration about Macabea herself. Clearly, the question is meant to stand alone, to give us pause, and to offer commentary on the nature of people who have in the midst of those who have not. The tone is chilling and the reader is forced to confront some ugly truths about him/herself. Rodrigo says "this book is a silence; an interrogation." The "am a I monster?" question is one of the first thing that we must be interrogated about.

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  2. The quote that I found interesting and that stood out to me was on page 27. “The girl did not know that she existed, just as a dog doesn’t know that it’s a dog. Therefore she wasn’t aware of her own unhappiness. The only thing she desired was to live.” The thing that made this quote stand out was the similarities between this quote and existentialist ideas, I saw this as a reflection of what we discussed in the last unit. The idea that the she is not aware of her own suffering and that this is how she conducts her life. What I also find interesting is that this is coming from the point of view of the narrator. The narrator is looking at the girl and trying to understand how she thinks and perceives herself.

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  3. My favorite line was on pg. 14 of the book:
    “Another writer, of course, but it would have to be a man for woman would weep her heart out.”
    This is my favorite line because it’s almost like a break in the passage, and is a comment from the author. Since Clarice Lispector lived in era where a women’s level of intellect was constantly challenged, I think it is funny in a way that she adds this comment. It goes for her own view on the book, as well as the narrators, Rodrigo. The narrator comes off very arrogant and stuck up and a comment like that from his POV, is very fitting, as that would probably be his view on women and their level of intellect.

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  4. My favorite line in the book comes from page 16
    "I intend, as I earlier suggested, to write in an ever simpler way. Anyway the material I’ve got is too plain and meager, the information about my characters sparse and not very elucidating, this information that painstakingly comes from me to myself"
    I thought it was ironic how the narrator of the book states he wants to write this to be simpler but seems to put in no effort to do this as the first 10 or so pages of the book are purely his own ramblings describing certain aspects of macabea but not actually beginning the story. He complains about this story having so little to talk about while also extending the book. When I looked up the definition of "elucidating" it came up to be to make seem more clear, which I thought was strange as he claimed about it being not elucidating. when I read the book, however, it seemed as though he was the one making the book vague or unclear.

    - Vitaly Kulakevich

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    1. I like that you brought that up because, I think the way that the narrator narrates the book is essential in how we understand it. The narrator shapes how we view things. I also like that you brought up that the narrator is a oxymoron to himself, because he will say one thing and then turn around and prove himslef wrong.

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  5. My group had passage three to analyze, which begins with “I, Rodrigo S.M....”(13). This passage is the narrator discussing his transition into telling the story, he does this in a superfluous fashion. Within the passage Rodrigo always brings up the emptiness and despair he feels for his character Macabea, and how he can not bear to rest until her story is told. For my group the most notable detail we had noticed was the constant hubristic self image the narrator keeps incorporated into the writing. He is constantly using the phrases “my duty” or “i have to”, and always adding his own personal insight. This detail adds movie-like aspect to the book. With comments the narrator adds, it brings a picturesque quality to the book, ands the events that take place.
    Another detail that was noted was the inclusion of existentialist ideas within this passage. On page 14, the narrator says “I know that there are girls who sell their bodies, their only real possession,...”. This quote holds the existential idea of how meaningless life is; and how materialistic things have little weigh, and only give superficial pleasure. The addition of these ideas definitely adds to understanding of Macabea’s life, and how she can be content in a life that has not given her much.

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    1. I really like your analysis of this passage. I see a lot of the details that you mentioned about Rodrigo S.M carry on throughout my passage as well.

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  6. My favorite line of the book is the 1st "Everything in the world began with a yes." I like this line because it grabs your attention and also shows the authors writing style. The line doesn't give any context or show you what the book is going to be about in any way but because it is so random is keeps you reading so you can one find out the context of the line and two figure out what the book is actually about.

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    1. I really like this quote too. I was going to pick it until I saw you already had! I remember when Ms. Larpentuer read us this sentence at the end of the year last year and everyone was shook! It certainly shoes that this book is going to require quite the analysis. Even the proceeding line "one molecule said yes to another molecule and life was born" gets you into a deep train of thought, something that persists throughout the entire book!

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  7. My group was the final part of the introduction starting with the line, “There is little comfort now…”(pg.19). What I found interesting and impactful about this section was the fact that you can see a lot about the narrator in this passage. This is where you can learn about his motives and especially his insecurities. The narrator talks about Macabea in a very negative way but I see this as Rodrigo S.M. portraying his own insecurities onto her while also boasting about his writing accomplishments. Rodrigo seems like both a narcissist and an insecure teenager, on page 20 he seems to compare his writing to the Bible, “The word [the Bible] must resemble the word. To attain the word is my first duty”(20). He shows that he is cocky but later he associates himself with Macabea who he characterizes as a sad, weak and poor girl. He puts his own insecurities onto her while also desperately boosting himself up.
    -Gabriela Moreno


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  8. Marley Jones
    As I was re-reading the passage something I took note of was the fact that Rodrigo always states that there are 7 characters. I thought about how their is seven characters and seven deadly sins, and how some of the characters can represent those. Particularly Macabea, Olimpico and Gloria; they all show traits of certain sins. For Macabea I saw her as Sloth, not because she is lazy, but because she has a certain oblivity to the world. There are things she doesn't notice. Sloth is a very hard sin to define and has changed throughout the ages, but it generally can mean a person who is withdrawn from the world. Olimpico on the other hand is a great example of Pride. He has a very corrupt sense of self, and it reflects on those around him. Olimpico exemplifies pride, especially when he is interacting with others. When he is talking to Macabea and she asks a question, he answers with anger and a snobbish tone, because he believes himself better, he has a lot of pride. Olimpico can also go with Gluttony and Envy due to his klepto-like tendencies. Although, Gloria is a better example of envy due to her spitefulness and jealousy over Macabea “having” Olimpico. Instead of ignoring it or coming to a different solution, she stays jealous and envious of Macabea’s relationship to Olimpico, gaining an anger towards Macabea’s obliviousness. Not all the sins can be connected to all the characters but I thought it was an interesting connection between seven characters and seven deadly sins in Christianity.

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  9. Hi guys. I know you were probably worried that I wasn't blogging because I always do it but I finally found a computer and am here now to whip out 3 blogs��

    My favorite line in Hour of the Star is "Who has not asked himself at some time or other: am I a monster or is this what it means to be a person?" on page 27. I know this line is not very unique to have as my favorite, but it is popular for a reason! This quote looks into the dark actions of humans, the inhumane ones that make us seem monstrous. Obviously we aren't physically monsters, but some people sure act like one. When you make a bad decision, you can't help but wonder: "do other people do this too?"

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  10. Question three asks about Macabea's happiness and if we were meant to feel bad/sorry for her. I think that she is such a simple minded person but also is very complicated; its almost like she's so simple that she's complicated, so I think that she thinks that she is happy but deep down she knows that the kind of "happiness" that she is experiencing is only superficial, which is why she ended up going to the fortune teller to find that deeper happiness. I also think that we were supposed to feel bad for her but it is also frustrating to watch her character because she is just so sad to watch. Question 4 asks why did Macabea love olimpico. I think she loved him because he was the first person to ever give her an ounce of attention and because she is such a simple person she confused that longing for attention for love. The narrorator is male as a way for Lispector to talk about sexism in Latin culture and show that a woman can write as well as a man and from a mans perspective as a female.

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    1. I certainly agree with you about us feeling bad for Macabea as a character. I also think the author is trying to bring attention to the controlling relationship between Macabea and Olimpico. She wants us to take the knowledge we gather from the book and hopefully use it to better our own lives so we don't end up like Macabea.

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  11. BLOG 2:
    I was assigned passage number 5. The passage starts out with the line "First of all, I must make it clear that this girl does not know herself apart from the fact that she goes on living her life aimlessly." This is pretty much Macabea's personality and life summed up into one sentence. So ya, I'd say the passage starts off with some pretty crucial information! The text goes on to say "This story has no melody that could be rightly termed cantabile.". The author spends about 3,260 pages trying to figure out how he is going to write this story. He questions himself a lot and wants to make every detail perfect, so pretty much the opposite of Macabea. This writing style persists throughout the book.

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  12. BLOG 3 (topic 4):
    Existentialism quotes I found!
    1.) "The truth is always some inner power without explanation. The more genuine part of my life is unrecognizable, extremely intimate and impossible to define." (1.3)
    2.) "As I prayed I emptied my soul—and this emptiness is everything that I can ever hope to possess. Apart from this, there is nothing. But emptiness, too, has its value and somehow resembles abundance. One way of obtaining is not to search, one way of possessing is not to ask; simply believe that my inner silence is the solution to my—to my mystery." (1.14)
    3.)"But the idea of transcending my own limits suddenly appealed to me. This happened when I decided to write about reality, since reality exceeds me. Whatever one understands by reality." (1.24)

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    1. I really like these quotes and I find it interesting to look at them from and Existential POV.

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  13. An interesting quote that I found to resemble an existentialist philosophy was found on page 21, “I can no longer bear the routine of my existence and, were it not for the constant novelty of writing, I should die symbolically each day.” The line about symbolic death appeared to be a reference to the Existentialist philosophy of philosophical suicide. Rodrigo is facing absurdity by finding meaning in writing and other things (football, sex…). Another quote I found was on page 17, “But the idea of transcending my own limits suddenly appealed to me. This happened when I decided to write about reality, since reality exceeds me. Whatever one understands by reality.” The question of what reality is, is probably the biggest philosophical questions. What is also interesting is that Rodrigo is literally writing a reality, he is telling the reader a story and philosophers like Jean-Paul Sartre believed that human life was our own creation.
    -Gabriela Moreno

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    1. I'm replying to this entry since no one else has blogged :) : I really like the quotes you choose. It added a new perspective in my mind because I had not thought of those quotes as "existentialism" until reading this blog!

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  14. I'm a little confused as to what we are supposed to blog about based on the calendar, and since no one else has blogged yet I don't have anything to go off of so I thought I'd share another favorite quote. This one comes from page 5: "If there is any truth in it—and clearly the story is true even though invented—let everyone see it reflected in himself for we are all one and the same person, and he who is not poor in terms of money is poor in spirit or feeling for he lacks something more precious than gold—for there are those who do not possess that essential essence." I interpreted this quote as the author trying to say that poor people have spiritual qualities that rich people don't have. This quote is most likely mentioning Macabea, and her "spiritual qualities" may be the reason Olimpico is attracted to her, because the narrator makes it seem like there isn't very many other “good” things about her.

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    1. I find this quote very interesting, and I am also curious about how Rodrigo changes his perspective on poor people and their spiritual qualities throughout the book.

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  15. Marley Jones
    I was also not sure what to blog on, so I am just going to talk about a favorite line of mine, when looking for motifs. This line came up when I was looking for the motif of repetition. The line goes: “It’s very simple: the girl had not. Hadn’t what? Simply this: she had not.” (25). I like this line for repetition because it is such a simple and obvious way of portraying this fact. In the passage that this quote is found, it begins with Rodrigo talking about Macabea's character overall. Her skills, personality, etc. I like that he uses this quote almost as a descriptor for her because it shows how he views the character, as well as how he wants us, the reader, to view Macabea. Rodrigo does this by simply saying that " she had not", which I believe shows a lot on how Macabea's character is viewed.

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  16. Marley Jones
    Something I found interesting about the theme in Hour of the Star, was how the urban ennviorment affected the characters. Just something I noticed was how harsh everybody characters like Olimipico and Gloria are. I think this is because they have gone from being poor in the country to being poor in the city; which a lot of times can be worse. I am curios if the book was set in the rural parts of Brazil how that would have effected the personalities of the characters? Would they be kinder or not as harsh?

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  17. Blog 4:existentialism quotes
    "The truth is always some inner power without explanation. The more genuine part of my life is unrecognizable, extremely intimate and impossible to define. "(1.3) -Truth comes from within and everyones truth is different
    "But the idea of transcending my own limits suddenly appealed to me. This happened when I decided to write about reality, since reality exceeds me. Whatever one understands by reality." (1.24)-reality is an abstract idea that is hard to grasp but once you understand that you are the only one that can control your reality you can begin to understand it
    "I want to escape my freedom without reaching the conclusion like so many others: that existence is only for fools and lunatics: for it would seem that to exist is illogical." (1.37)-This is talking about the absurd, and how trying to find a meaning in life is pointless

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